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Donald Jeffries's avatar

Nice analysis, Tom. You know we're in sad shape when the arbiters of morality have questionable morals. Thanks!

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rickrolled's avatar

Ermm…

Haven’t the self styled “arbiters of morality” been in charge for the past 4 years?!?

How’d that work out for us?

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Emumundo's avatar

As a lifelong Catholic I’m conflicted about the church. My local parish seems okay, so far, but I’m ready to jump ship to a traditional catholic parish and will probably be forced to at some point. The real reason the church is coming down on Trump? Money. Catholic charities made millions (billions?) resettling illegal aliens and I’m sure they have blood on their hands for at least some of the missing children. Many Catholics don’t donate to the church anymore because they are using money to pay off lawsuits. The pope acts like he doesn’t even believe in God. Does the pope not think he will meet his maker in the afterlife? I saw a picture years ago of Bergolio reading a book by Saul Alinsky and that pretty much sums up this popes politics. Anthony Stine does a podcast-Return to Tradition- which tracks the nefarious goings on of the Vatican. It’s worth listening to. Tom, since you are the occultist, did you see the pope opened doors in the basement of the Vatican that had been sealed for hundreds of years? Well, I’m off to buy more popcorn, thank you for your analyses.❤️

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you for mentioning the Catholic Charities angle, which is a rabbit hole all on its own, complete with the odd fact that so many of them are run by Jews. I share your belief that Papa Frank's pissed that Trump's turning off the money spigot, as well as the supposition that a lot of those missing kids are getting served up to the Usual Suspects.

I think the Pope believes in some kind of god, just maybe not mine. I did see Papa Frank opened up a bunch of sealed doors in the Vatican around the holidays, seemed to end up a nothingburger, but who knows? I don't.

Thank you again for your comment!

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Emumundo's avatar

I think the doors were portals, but maybe I’m too far down the rabbit holes…

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Charles Curtis's avatar

Well, I’m Catholic. The Church is Israel, the assembly of God’s people, the harvest in which tares grow with the grain.. Read the history of Israel in the Old Testament, it was of perpetual apostasy. Under the Seleucids, the high priest ensconced the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy of Holies until Judah Maccabee purged and reconsecrated it. Christ was handed over to the Romans by Caiaphas.. The scribes, pharisees and priests sacrificed their God for the sake of their idolatry.

Nothing has since changed. The Church has always been and until the end will always be rife with sinners, fools, hypocrites and apostates. The only thing we each can do is remain faithful, repent, and stand at the foot of the Cross witnessing them continually crucify him. If you’ve lost courage and fled, repent and return like the ten did before the Parousia, while there is still yet time.

All of which is to say that hierarchy is both natural (inherent in God’s created order) and supernatural (originating in God’s utter transcendence), thus there’s no way to escape it. The inverted hierarchy of hell apes that of heaven, the lower you get, the further you are from God. The Church’s visible hierarchy is an artefact of this fallen world, and is therefore a spiritual battlefield like everything else created in time. Right now, the hypocrites have infested us, because we are nearly all faithless.

There is no escaping it, everyone falls out in the eschatological hierarchy, everyone is either ascending toward God, or else is turning or fleeing away from him. He is the source of our being and personhood, and we will either affirm him in our creation by obeying and worshipping him, or else wallow in the solipsistic nihilism of ingratitude and hatred of our own being.

In any case, the Church is now facing a loss of coherence surpassing even that of the Arian crisis. The bishops today are nearly all feckless nonentities, the pope (who appoints them all in distortion of the ancient autonomy of the local churches) is an apostate. Vatican I & II have both failed as councils.. I have many thoughts about all that, but here I’ll only say that the resistance will triumph, even if after great suffering and martyrdom.

You can find us at traditional Latin mass parishes. I also recommend seeking out the Orthodox, Eastern Rite and Oriental Catholics. That’s where the staunchness (truth), asceticism (discipline) and proper aesthetics (beauty) are. That’s where we’re keeping the proper fasts and feasts.

That’s where you belong, Tom. Stop being a fence sitting esoteric dilettante, stop taking communion unworthily, stop being pussy footing around like a pansy: repent, get your soul right through confession, and join us already, before it’s too late.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you for your comment and for having the balls to call me "a fence sitting esoteric dilettante" and demand I "stop being pussy footing around like a pansy." I rarely get such well-articulated criticism, and welcome it even as I think it sounds a bit harsh considering all I've put on the line and bullshit lies and smears I've had to deal with from alleged "allies." (That said, of course they are minuscule compared to the tortures inflicted upon Our Savior).

My problem with traditional Latin mass parishes is that I'd like to know what's being preached to me. I get the appeal to some, and weigh the possibility that Latin itself has some inherent spiritual purity linguistically. But both intellectually & spiritually, it feels like living outside somebody else's bubble.

I will explore the Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholics; others have recommended the Orthodox branch of Catholicism. Thank you again for your unvarnished comment.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

What a gracious, classy reply!

@JoshuaTCharles, a former speech-writer for Mike Pence, is a recent convert to Catholicism and does a wonderful job of explaining how his in-depth study of the Church Fathers' writings led him to leave his Evangelical church and cross the Tiber. Catholicism was not a man-made religion with absurd beliefs tacked on to Jesus' teachings as he was always told, but the faith as passed on from the apostles. He is a good-natured, very smart guy you might find interesting.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

How interesting! I think Mike Pence is a satanist or some other kind of dark occultist fraud, but maybe there is insight to be gleaned from a guy who worked for him but now doesn't.

I used to go to Orioles' games with the likable actor Josh Charles, son of my ad agency boss in Baltimore. That's how I met Jennifer Connelly, who was dating him at the time, until she dumped him the night she won the Oscar, ouch. Not the same Josh Charles, I guess, but I'd sure rather hang with Jennifer Connelly than Mike Pence!

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

No, definitely not THAT Josh Charles.

By his own admission, Charles has spent thousands of dollars purchasing and reading the works of the early Church Fathers.

BTW, don't let the current globalist atheist pope dissuade you from investigating further. He is an evil fraud trying to eliminate the traditions and teachings of the Church he ostensibly leads.

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MAGA_From_Heaven's avatar

You mean this guy?

https://youtu.be/zrK9IMWdflg?si=I7CJNLIL_8J4ezem

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Hahahaa! Yes. He's very funny in that, though it's such an exaggerated performance. The sight gags are even better, a bunch of narcissistic delusional rich guys sitting around tearing up dollar bills, LOL. Also fun to see Rich Sommer so young, before he was cast as Harry the media guy in MAD MEN.

I liked Mr. Charles in SPORTS NIGHT better though, before the show became close to insufferable, like most (all?) of Aaron Sorkin's TV work. In fact, in hindsight, SPORTS NIGHT became not nearly as insufferable as WEST WING or THE NEWSROOM, nor as clichéd and kinda hackneyed as SUNSET STRIP (which started out soooooo good).

His dad, FWIW, may have been the best Creative Director I ever worked for, the only one who always put the clients first instead of chasing awards. By the time I left/got fired, I didn't really like the guy, but over the years I've come to respect him as a professional and a creative thinker and a "clients first" businessman more than almost anybody else I ever worked for. So it goes.

Thank you for your comment!

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Amen. Flaws and all, that's the life raft God left us.

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NJ Election Advisor's avatar

Corruption right from the beginning.

That said, great image of the beginning of the Church, the mosaic at St. Puden’s in Rome.

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Dawn B's avatar

I feel and think about the same about those beings. While reading, I wanted to respond about several things but I am traveling and reading on a phone. I hope to find time later to revisit.

I feel you are on the same page as I am Tom. It is hard to keep our minds out of the blackpilled reality since that is a trap/trip too.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I welcome your thoughts when you have the time and inclination, Dawn. Thank you!

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rickrolled's avatar

And on a related noted… in the supposed words of JC himself:

“And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called teachers, for you have one teacher, the Christ.

The greatest among you shall be your servant.

Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Yes, over the years it's dawned on me how weird it is to call any religious figure "father" when Christ told us that was a mistake.

When I lived in San Diego, there was a billionaire named Doug Manchester who demanded to be addressed as "Papa Doug." That always struck me as a weird obsession. He, too, made his money as a real estate developer, just like President Orange. Funny thing, when Trump campaigned in San Diego in 2016, he kept referring to "Papa Doug" as "Papa John," LOL.

"Papa Doug" also purchased and for a short time owned the wretched San Diego Union-Tribune daily newspaper, which was bad when it bought it, got worse when he owned it, and has gotten even worse than that as it has since bounced through a few V.C. ownerships subsequent. To be fair, "Papa Doug" caught a lot of shit for a series of editorials that portrayed Barrack Hussein Obama as the worst President of all time, but in hindsight it looks like he was closer to the truth than not.

Thank you for your instigating comment!

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Sassy Goatherd's avatar

A few years ago, my husband and I took a two-year detour into the Catholic Church. (Born and raised Protestant.) Our son had converted to Catholicism in college, and we wanted to know what he had gotten himself into. We approached this with open minds and open hearts, and went so far as going through confirmation. Fortunately, at the last minute, we woke up, came to our senses, and stepped off the Catholic conveyer belt, never looking back. A few takeaways:

1. Talking with Catholic apologists is kind of like talking to Mormon missionaries. They all have the same line. "This is the church that Jesus Christ founded." Ok, what about Paul? Did Peter really travel to Rome? Did early Christians really look to Peter as the first Pope.

2. Take a look into Canon Law. Some things you may find disturbing. The Catholic Church is as much a corrupt government as it is a Christian Church. It has it's own legal system, bank, societies, ambassadors, etc.

3. There is no way to withdraw your membership in the Catholic Church. In other words, your faith and baptism are not unique to your soul, they are dependent on the Catholic Church. The only way to fully leave the Catholic Church and no longer be Catholic is to renounce your baptism. So you can't really know and follow Jesus unless you are Catholic? This has a vague cultish whiff.

4. The churches are full, but dead. The churches in our area are mostly filled with kind and sincere Hispanic worshipers who don't really seem to know what they are listening to. One of the elderly gentleman who would attend every Sunday had a cell phone that would go off multiple times during the service. He would go outside and have prolonged phone calls. Sunday after Sunday. I don't think he was a general contractor.

5. Rome is totally corrupt. Trad Catholics constantly opine that it has been taken over by infiltrators. So then what is the real Catholic Church? Where and who is it? Priests are bound to obey their bishops, bishops to obey their archbishops and on up the hierarchy to the Pope. There is no deviation. If this isn't the real Pope, than who is and why would Jesus Christ allow his Church to be taken over by an interloper. Most recently, Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Strickland were respectively excommunicated and removed from the bishopric. They both seem like honorable, but religiously misguided men. However, technically, if you believe the Catholic catechism and Canon Law, Vigano is headed to hell. There isn't any wiggle room.

I could go on, but the logical inconsistencies of the Catholic Church are too much to bear. The true Church is made up of all those who proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord and follow him.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Wow, thank you for all this. I don't have much to add other than these observations:

> Most churches I've been to in the past decade feel dead at worst, meh at best. The church leadership is weak inside most churches, not just Catholics.

> There were no active cell phones permitted in my Austin Catholic Church that was majority Hispanic. The Priest was friendly but firm: A cell phone going off would get you tossed out, and if you were late once service started, you stood outside the closed doors of the worship area until everyone waiting got let in after the song at roughly the 15 minutes point.

I've read a small amount of Archbishop Vigano's writings; Mel Gibson introduced me via one of the podcast interviews he did. Like everybody else, the Catholic Church seems in midst of a Civil War, with the wrong side on top for the time being at least. Thank you again for your detailed and informative comment!

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you for this. I liked the written synopsis. I'll try to give the podcast a listen over the weekend.

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Excellent. Keep up the good work.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Gave it a listen. Insightful. You are indeed a very "sober" guy!

That said, you almost only need to read the succinct synopsis!

Thank you for sharing this podcast.

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

This might explain some other things for you, very important truth series to promote by Agent131711:

https://open.substack.com/pub/chemtrails/p/poison-potions-and-the-medicine-men?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=31s3eo

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

You're welcome. Keep up the good work.

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rickrolled's avatar

So in other words…

“Meet the new boss…. Same as the old boss” ?!?

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Ain't that always the way? I do think we may see things improve a bit for a few years. How can they hold their WW3 in 2030 if all the valid young men of fighting age don't trust the country's leadership? Thank you for your comment(s).

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NJ Election Advisor's avatar

Similar, maybe more wicked.

Rough seas ahead!

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

If President Orange proves worse than the last fakeministration, we'll all be dead.

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Mile High Bear's avatar

Keenly insightful, Tom. Thank You, Sir.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you so much!

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George Bredestege's avatar

The Church is its people, not its leaders.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

On one level, I 100% agree with this. But in the same way a sports team is its players, a terrible manager can make a great team on paper an also-ran during the regular season. Thank you for your comment!

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Genevieve's avatar

When it comes to the Catholic/Christian faith; the upcoming deception, the AC and mark of the beast; AI/AGI; and NHI/UAPs/UFOs; this video by Daniel O'Connor offers plenty to think about. Basically ties it all together. I have his first book, a tomb of reference material, whereas his latest is readable cover to cover. Haven't got that one yet. I hope you will watch this and get back to us on your take. At the very least, I hope to aid you and others in avoiding the deception he discusses. Thank you for all your input and research on so many topics.

https://youtu.be/4eaDHw52Df4?si=Kme78Pig2R0EhnTP

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Holy cats! I went back to watch this yesterday and it's been deleted!

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Genevieve's avatar

Hopefully he will get it back on. In the meantime, here's one of the points he makes. Keep in mind that Mary's conception is called the Immaculate Conception. Also, note commenter Nathalie's response. https://x.com/NathaliebTemp/status/1856897876225343791

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I like "Truth through Faith," though of course the message can be turned against itself. I think everybody should take the Russian saying "Trust but verify" to heart. Thank you for your comment, and if you see that video pop up anywhere in the coming days, LMK.

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Genevieve's avatar

He has the video on his twitter account here:

https://x.com/DSDOConnor/status/1884473049249919039

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Klonker's avatar

Just three blocks from you is Jesus Christ truly present in the tabernacle. (You'll recognize it by the lighted sanctuary lamp.) If it were me, I would visit him every day.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I will check this out! Thank you.

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jennifer dibley's avatar

Yes

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Lloyd Traiforos's avatar

Good one Tom. In the very early 20th century, Rudolf Steiner spoke very eloquently and at length about the differences between the entities Lucifer and Satan (who he called Ahriman). Here is a reading of one of Steiner's lectures on the Ahrimanic deception you might be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJCevkuD3Q&t=2240s

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you for mentioning this. I was introduced to Rudolph Steiner's Lucifer/Ahriman theories over the summer via Derrick Broze and his article "The Great Inversion" on his Conscious Resistance website.

https://theconsciousresistance.com/what-is-the-great-inversion/

If there's anybody I've done a 180 on in a GOOD way in the "conspiracy theory" community, it's Derrick Broze. I originally thought he was kind of shady but over the years if "You shall know them by their fruit," he has done exemplary work, particularly on the fluoride and child trafficking front. Usually the more I see of people, the less I trust them, but for Mr. Broze it's been a rare and welcome opposite. Thank you again for your comment!

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Lloyd Traiforos's avatar

Hmm, I wasn't aware of him. Thanks for the link!

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Joseph Mark Alfano's avatar

Well done, Tom. Unraveling what is sensed but unseen is a mystical work calling believers to pray and collaborate with God on knocking down all the wrong strongholds. We're in that place now where we ignore the signs at our own peril. Also love the 'Bob' reference at the end :))

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

Thank you so much!

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Jeanette Estrada's avatar

Why does anyone need the Religious Dogma of Roman Catholicism? We are not saved by works, and we need no one to intercede for us, but our Saviour and King JESUS CHRIST.

Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Solus CHRISTUS, Soli DEO Gloria.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Could it be that many in the congregation were those lacking documents.

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TOM SIEBERT's avatar

I don't think so, but who knows? The neighborhood where I live is majority Hispanic, with nice homes and well-kept yards, some apartments. Thank you for your comment!

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